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Will Ritter
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Apple's 'Real' Earnings: Up Almost 125%
Apple might consider providing that number. Some sort of realistic estimate might go a long way to relieving fears about a slowdown at Apple and put their GAAP based future guidance into perspective.
How can anyone take the forward, conservative GAAP guidance seriously, when this last quarter they guided down and beat by over 100% (when looking at the non-GAAP numbers).
I can see how even my last paragraph is confusing. The term GAAP and the concept of non-GAAP earnings being more accurate is sure to confuse many investors, and it seems to have confused most professional analysts to date, as you mentioned.
Perhaps the analyst community will formalize around the non-GAAP metrics for Apple and attempt to provide comparative P/E's using the non-GAAP numbers. This might improve the understanding of the investment community. It would certainly highlight the disparity in valuations you mentioned.
Apple's Market Share Momentum
Apple Plays the Conservative Card Despite Record Quarter
The .19 was estimated by the following equation and assumptions:
1 million iphones x 170 profit = 170 million profit / 899 million shares = .19 per share, per million iphones.
Apple Plays the Conservative Card Despite Record Quarter
"Sure. We incur our OpEx in engineering, sales, and marketing related to the iPhone currently, while recognizing the revenue over -- and product costs over a two-year period of time. And we do have launch expenses for the iPhone 3G that are built into the September quarter and that’s provided for in the $1.27 billion guidance that I gave you."
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Apple F3Q08 (Qtr End 6/28/08) Earnings Call Transcript
Apple's 3G iPhone Appears Profitable
Apple F3Q08 (Qtr End 6/28/08) Earnings Call Transcript
Apple F3Q08 (Qtr End 6/28/08) Earnings Call Transcript
Apple F3Q08 (Qtr End 6/28/08) Earnings Call Transcript
Point 1:
Peter Oppenheimer
We generated $1.33 billion in cash during the quarter, ending with $20.8 billion. Cash flow from operations was $1.32 billion. In the first three quarters of fiscal 2008, Apple generated over $5.4 billion in cash on $3.7 billion in net income. The primary contributor to the difference between our reported income and our cash growth is the tremendous cash generation from iPhone sales that has not been fully reflected as earnings yet due to subscription accounting...
Point 2:
Jeff Fidacaro - Merrill Lynch
Peter, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the operating margin impact, maybe in the September quarter, from the iPhone launch. In other words, what cannot be deferred along with the handset revenues?
Peter Oppenheimer
Sure. We incur our OpEx in engineering, sales, and marketing related to the iPhone currently, while recognizing the revenue over -- and product costs over a two-year period of time. And we do have launch expenses for the iPhone 3G that are built into the September quarter and that’s provided for in the $1.27 billion guidance that I gave you.
Point 3:
Bill Fearnley - FTN Midwest
Thanks. Peter, you mentioned quickly here future product transitions and its effect on gross margins. Is there a corresponding effect on revenue growth here that you are expecting in the September quarter? Because the September quarter revenue growth quite frankly looks conservative. Does the product transition affect revenue growth expectations as well? And then I just have a quick follow-up.
Peter Oppenheimer
Okay. Bill, for the quarter, we are targeting revenue of about $7.8 billion, which is 25% growth over last September. We have included in our revenue guidance the full quarter ASP impact of the back-to-school promotion, a future product transition that I can’t discuss today, and also the elasticity that we’ve seen from the iPod Shuffle price reduction and it’s result on ASP.
I would tell you that we are very happy with our revenue growth and we’ve just reported the best Mac quarter ever and double-digit iPod growth, and are off to a fantastic start with the iPhone 3G.
We expect to sell more iPhones this quarter than we have in any previous quarter, but this will have a limited impact on the September quarter but will build a significant revenue and earnings, which we’ll report in future quarters. If iPhone sales were reported as revenue when sold, the September revenue guidance would be significantly higher.
That last sentence should have been in bold...