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GE: Not-So-Good Things Come to Light
My Reconsideration: Why Share Buybacks Are Pointless
Since everyone pretty much agrees on liking dividends, lets think about what effect buybacks have on dividends. If a company paying a $2.00 per year dividend buys back and cancels 10 million shares, they now have $20 million in cash that they don't have to pay out (the dividends for the bought-back shares). What will they do with this money? Hmm, maybe a dividend increase?
Of course, some companies don't do that. Some use the $20 million for a more lush executive compensation package and then watch the exec fly the plane into the mountain. These companies misused buybacks.
But what's wrong with a company that buys back shares when shares are unreasonably cheap and only raises dividends with the increased EPS when shares are expensive? The buyback helps to make stock prices more accurate and buoyant, pulls concentrated ownership from speculative weak hands to buy-and-holders, avoids taxes, and provides a more beneficial use for capital than speculative acquisitions or foolish expansions. Even as a yield-driven investor, you want your asset value to be high because you don't pay taxes on asset level and it's always better to have higher asset levels than lower - everything will be sold some day.
Buybacks aren't a panacea because most stocks are often overvalued, especially at those times when management has enough cash on hand to consider buybacks (cyclical tops, usually). Many managements would do better to immediately give shareholders money to invest elsewhere. But if you don't trust the management to invest your money profitably and would prefer a special dividend, why don't you give yourself a special dividend by selling your shares and investing your money elsewhere? The mass of averagish managements in average companies would do better to hold more cash and use it for buybacks and acquisitions when irrational pessimism makes everything cheap. Excellent managements in an excellent businesses should be investing everything back into the business all the time so long as ROIC matches or exceeds alternatives available to shareholders. Buybacks are a way to do this when expansion isn't practical.
Will Berkshire Lose Its Triple-A?
Not saying I think BRK is going down, just pointing out that all investments at a company like BRK should be marked to market and that the value of future cash flows from an investment should be based on credit risk/cost of capital for the company in which one invests.
Where Have All the Peak Oil Believers Gone?
No one on this message board knows whether we have 30 years, 100 years or 200 years of oil - the point that you can't dispute is that we have a finite amount of oil, and we're starting to get to where we can see the limits and we have to recover a lot of the reserves that are inconvenient, expensive, or challenging to recover. Smart people would be looking at other energy sources. Idiots imagine infinite oil.
Why Is the YouTube User Experience So Poor?
AIG: How It Spent Your Tax Money
Apple: Though Tempted, I Wouldn't Bite Just Yet
You're talking about a company that's really a consumer company for those who want the latest and hottest: any Apple product has much cheaper competition that does the same essential functions (admittedly without so many cool features, attractive design, and brand image - but in tough times price and function come first). Do you really think that consumers will be able to afford the price premium in the environment of the next few years? I'm not talking about dedicated Mac users; I'm talking about the marginal Apple product buyer who fuels growth. In the long run Apple is almost certainly worth more than today's price (like almost every stock), but a really bad earnings announcement could be painful for a company that has so many excited momentum-driven investors. The price decline is marking both the general market problems and the particular risk for Apple of that possibility.
Not Likely to Be a Merry Xmas for Microsoft - RBC
No one knows better than people inside the company how much money the company will report in earnings in the next quarter. Given how strongly the market punishes earnings misses or revelations of accounting irregularities, companies have a pretty strong motivation to be accurate. They also release a huge amount of information quarterly. So what's the function of analysts?
All we really need for analysis is people on the short-side looking for companies that give misleading guidance, fudge the accounting, or commit fraud, shorting them, and publicizing their findings. Einhorn is worth 1000 "analysts" who upgrade and downgrade for foolish reasons. If a full report from the company doesn't tell you whether you want to invest, how is a layer of superficial analysis from some guy outside the company with no stake going to tell you?
All that's happening with MSFT is that multiples are compressing as it becomes a value stock rather than a growth stock. However, the company still has growth prospects (online, business software, gaming), and if you combine these with the excellent balance sheet, cash-flow, and shareholder focus (buybacks and dividends), the company probably will be worth more than today's price in the future. The only real risk is Ballmer pulling extremely stupid acquisitions, which I suppose is a significant risk, but no investment is perfect.
Fannie and Freddie: Finally a Light at the End of the Tunnel?
Time Not for a Bailout, But for Nationalization
How do you know how much skin the author has in free market enterprises?
What ideas in this post are more theoretical or less practical than the Paulson plan or the House Republican plan?
The post provides concrete recommendations and you flip out because there are books behind the author in his picture. It's ok - avoid all educational institutions and keep voting for politicians who are as dumb as you are. Count yourself lucky that W. appointed people with records of success in business and academic endeavours (Paulson and Bernanke) to bludgeon the politicians into fixing the problem. At least he's smart enough to know that Treasury and the Fed are more significant to his way of life than FEMA and the Department of Education.
We've Crossed the Line from Capitalism to Socialism
The Artificial Inflation of Stock Prices, Due to the Short Selling Ban
3Q earnings are going to be disastrous for some companies, what with writedowns from exposure to FNM/FRE/LEH/AIG, new marks on assets based on continued housing price declines and cheap distressed sales, high costs of capital, and the freeze-up of a lot of financial business. While people may look forward to good earnings next year, at least some of the currently high prices could get knocked down in short order as people fear for the near-term earnings and take trading profits.
Morgan Stanley in the Crosshairs
I don't know why it's so hard for all of you to understand that shorts don't drive stable, profitable companies into bankruptcy. There's a huge amount of competition in the markets, and you don't find a lot of dollar bills that only cost 50 cents because people tend to snap those up. If shorts drive a stock down to half its true value, there are tons of value investors looking to buy that stock. If the company has articulate management with some capital to deploy, they can buy back shares or make a few insider purchases, then try to make shares scarce so that shorts can cover. Ultimately you get a squeeze and the share price rebounds back to where it ought to be.
What shorts do is hasten the end of companies that are limping along, that can't make any credible presentation to investors regarding solvency and profitability, that can't afford to buy back any shares, that no value investor will touch.
Naked shorting should be illegal because it makes no sense (selling something you don't have - take it to the options market, not the stock exchange). Now that it's taken care of, please stop obsessing over the non-existent problem of conventional shorting.
What Will Fannie / Freddie Mean for Monday?
While we're at it, in order to understand the impact on banks we have to look at:
a. how much preferred and common stock they hold (though any bank still holding FNM or FRE common should also be taken over by the government, as they have failed risk management) - this will be way down tomorrow.
b. how much FNM and FRE debt they hold - this will be way up tomorrow and is a significantly larger pot than the above pot.
c. how this affects bank's access to capital and ability to securitize mortages (complicated, may take some time to figure out).
Fannie, Freddie Headed for Conservatorship
Anyone investing and following the news has been anticipating a FNM/FRE bailout for a while now. The possible negative effects and the other problems in financial companies were already reflected in the low prices. Financials rose on the news because the markets prefer certainty and the bailout sounds like a relatively measured and well-planned effort rather than a midday "Oh noes!!! FNM and FRE are worth nothing!!!" announcement. Even still financial prices are very low, and more institutions will fail. Investors are buying because companies that don't fail will be worth significantly more in the future.